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  • More feedback to Payback

    Thumbs in the Middle: Some good matches but nothing particular great or important. If all these matches were the undercard of a real draw like Hogan, Austin or Rock; or a compelling face that people wanted to see him win like Bret, Punk or Bryan; or a major feud like Hogan vs Savage, Austin vs McMahon or Austin vs Rock; we will be living in a perfect world. Sadly, that’s not the case. It’s a “B level PPV” that feels and delivers just like that. Nothing special. Nothing that would make people pay to see it, even if it is for just $10.

    Best Match: 4-Way Main Event


    Worst Match: Cena vs Rusev. This match had no psychology at all. No transitions, just spot after spot, most of which weren’t that impressive to make people believe that it was the finish. No submission attempts, until two random spot at the end. No focusing on a body part to tell a story. Not even a good old fashioned brawl of kicks and punches, although in this case that was probably a blessing in disguise as Cena’s punches are beyond hideous these days. Then they went almost half an hour but ended up doing a 2-minutes RAW match finish. To makes matters worst, just a few moments earlier Cena didn’t lose the match because he “couldn’t say I Quit by himself” then Lana say it for Rusev. My God what a load of crap. Really, that’s the best they could do to blow-up a Cena feud? The best they could do to split of Rusev and Lana? Which by the way it’s a stupid idea to begin with. They are a winning combination, but WWE wants to spit them just because. She is about tho join the Ricardo Rodriguez and Zeb Coulter club. Not to mention every other face manager in the history of the business. Somebody’s IQ needs to be checked. 

    Didn’t watch the Pre-Show: 
    1. Sheamus vs Ziggler. Good opener. Result was a given once Ziggler got his “kiss my ass” revenge. Ziggler got busted imitating Daniel Bryan’s headbuts; and Bryan got busted imitating Tomohiro Ishii. Please do not try this at home! ***1/4

    2. New Day vs Cesaro & Kidd. Very good match. Lots of action and cool spots. It’s a shame that they have to rush things up, otherwise this could have been the best match on the show. ***1/2

    3. Wyatt vs Ryback. Just okay match. This feud is good for both. They need to trade wins but at the end Wyatt should come on up strong for a mayor at SummerSlam with someone like Sting, Kane or Big Show that ends up with a face turn. **1/2

    4. Cena vs Rusev. This was bad for so many reasons. They still tried hard though. *1/2

    5. Naomi & Tamina vs Bellas. Filler match. Nobody cares. 1/2*

    6. Neville vs Barrett. Like the match before, totally out of place. This was a Superstars match on a PPV. Neville is an incredible talent but they have him doing the same spots over and over and almost never wins. Geek alert! *3/4

    7. Rollins vs Ambrose vs Reigns vs Orton. Overall great. Slow start, hot middle, flat finish. What’s the deal with Rollins using the Pedigree? Are they planning on a match with Triple H? To me there is only one logical conclusion to this story: a Shield 3-way at Mania. Rollins as champion with either Reigns or Ambrose (most likely) using the MITB contract to make it a triple threat. Anything else is a wasted opportunity. ****

    Leonardo Mendez Toledo

    Hi Dave,
      Just thought I would give some feedback on the Payback PPV. I give the show a thumbs down, it felt like an episode of Raw with some enhanced time for matches, but not much more then that. The best match would probably have to be the main event fatal 4 way for the world title, and the worst match probably the “I Quit” match between Cena-Rusev, probably because it was just too predictable with these two, feels like they have the same match each time they wrestle just with a different stipulation. It was good to watch visually on the network however, since I was watching the network stream on a Sony Blu-Ray player with Wi-Fi for the first time and the network is one of the Apps on the Blu-Ray. But other then that, most of the matches just seemed like they were not really building to anything. I think WWE should remember that sometimes less is more with their PPV’s or Network specials since they just did Extreme Rules and King of The Ring, this show, and
     now the Elimination Chamber at the end of the month. They really should stick with about 6 PPV’s a year in my opinion so that they have more of a special event feel, rather then a monthly card. And they really need to improve on the commentary as well. Jerry Lawler was excellent with Jim Ross, but he seems to be having a hard time following the lead of Michael Cole, and JBL seems to be doing his own separate commentary show and must be watching something else on his monitor. Maybe he is watching PPV’s on the network from the 90’s, since almost every comment he makes is a 90’s reference. Not sure what he is doing. I know that WWE is capable of  producing good shows and good commentary, but with so many shows lately I think the quality value is dropping with too many shows taking place, but just my opinion of course. I was more entertained with a 1 hour long version of Ring of Honor over the weekend with a main event of the Brisco’s fighting War Machine
     in a great tag match then tonight’s 3 hr show. It’s a good thing I watched on the Network, as the only “Payback” I would have wanted is if I had purchased this show on traditional PPV for 50 bucks, lol!

    Thanks,
    Jon Southerland
    Clovis, Ca.

    WWE Payback Feedback
    Thumbs up
    Best Match: Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose vs Roman Reigns vs Randy Orton
    Worst Match: I fast-forwarded through the Bellas match and enjoyed everything else so I won’t vote for this

    This was a fun show to watch that is probably ok to miss as well. The New Day are really great in their role. Ryback and Wyatt over-delivered and I was impressed by some of the spots. This wasn’t the best of Rusev and Cena but was fine, I llok forwad to what is coming for both. Neville continues to much improved since coming to the main roster. The main event was fun, esepcialy the stuff with The Shield. 

    Dave Musgrave
    Oshawa, Ontario

    ROH Global Wars Night 1
    Thumbs Way up
    Best Match: AJ Styles, Young Bucks, Karl Anderson and Doc Gallows vs Roderick Strong, The Briscoes and War Machine
    Worst match: None

    I liked every match on this show but have to say that the ten-man main event might be my match of the year

    Dave Musgrave
    Oshawa, Ontario

    Thumbs up PPV – Payback was really well paced.  I watched it all.  Corey Graves is unbearable as is the pre and post show.  JBL shitting on everyone is not cool. 
    Best match:  4 way – Coulda been better if no outside bullshit was involved.
    Worst match:  Stardust vs Truth

    Surprisingly, I enjoyed the Ascension.  I was hoping the mega powers would start to play different groups throughout the weeks but I guess that push is over.  Ascension looked good.  These guys can go, they just need to be put with Cesaro and Kidd.

    Tag match was good.  I enjoyed the super racist finish where the ref thinks all black people look alike.  Irony being in Baltimore. 

    Good show, but was hoping to see Luke Harper and The Vintner rejoin with Bray. 

    Girls was a match.  It was fine.

    Great pacing, great matches across the board.  THUMBS UP

    Dan Veltan

    Thumbs in the middle.

    Best match:  Rollins vs Reigns vs Ambrose vs Orton
    Worst match: Wyatt vs Ryback

    So-so show. Surpassed expectations but not good enough. Nothing overly
    offensively bad. Controversial finish to the New Day vs Cesaro/Tyson
    Kidd match.

    Network stream on PS3 & Android skipped back 10 seconds about a dozen
    times but was fine overall.

    Regards,
    Mark Ageyev
    from Ireland

    How you doin’ Dave,

    Thumbs In The Middle
    Decent show. Thought Cena-Rusev was really good and had close to as good an I Quit match as you can have under PG conditions. I put it in the same category as Hell In A Cell in-terms of being incredibly hampered by the restrictions in place after all we’ve seen in the past. Thought Rusev’s selling was fantastic during the match and it was a typically nicely paced, well-worked Cena match with an intelligent finish. 

    I’d be interested to know what happened at the end of the Ziggler-Sheamus match, whether they were told to go directly to the finish after Ziggler got busted open pretty bad. It seemed a little peculiar to go straight from Ziggler having a close nearfall with superkick, to Ziggler selling and Sheamus making somewhat of a miraculous recovery and hitting the Brogue Kick. As this is the second time this has occurred in the last couple of months I’m expecting a headbutt ban. Preferred their last match to be honest.

    I thought Cesaro & Tyson-New Day was technically fantastic and I’m loving Cesaro as a face, but it was incredibly rushed which irritated me a great deal, although that wasn’t entirely their fault. Wasn’t expecting what we got from Ryback-Wyatt, it featured a lot of nice big spots, but was largely an exhibition of moves. Didn’t think they sold when they needed to, didn’t build to things, didn’t take the extra couple of seconds necessary before doing certain things to increase the reaction for particular spots, and as a consequence the match didn’t garner the response from the crowd it could’ve etc. Which I felt was a shame given the work-rate. 

    Brie appeared to have a close-call during the Divas match. I think she just managed to get her hands down and tuck-and roll, match was ok but had a bit of clunk. Barrett-Neville finish was bad, but I’m understanding providing they have plans to do the blow-off on one of the next two PPVs. Main event was a bit of a cluster, overbooked and rushed. It got going from The Shield spot onwards, but largely there was just too much going on at too great a speed.

    Best Match: Cena vs. Rusev ***3/4

    Worst Match: Bella Twins vs. Tamina & Naomi **

    R-Truth vs. Stardust **

    Axel & Mandow vs. The Ascension **

    Ziggler vs. Sheamus ***1/2

    New Day vs. Cesaro & Tyson ***1/2

    Ryback vs. Wyatt ***1/4

    Barrett vs. Neville **1/4

    Rollins vs. Ambrose vs. Reigns vs. Orton ***1/2

    Thanks Dave

    Tom (griffo120)
    .

  • Austin back doing monthly podcast on WWE Network

    “STONE COLD®” LIVE ON WWE® NETWORK

    STAMFORD, Conn., May 18, 2015 – “Stone Cold” Steve Austin will host Stone Cold Podcast, Live!, a no-holds-barred, in-your-face monthly interview series beginning Monday, June 1 at 11 p.m. ET on the award-winning WWE Network, with special guest Paul Heyman.

    Each month immediately following Monday Night Raw, which airs on USA Network, the WWE Hall of Famer will sit down with the biggest names in WWE including Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, Sting and other celebrities from the world of sports and entertainment for an exclusive interview on WWE Network.

    “If you’re ready for the Stone Cold Podcast, give me a ‘Hell Yeah!’,” said “Stone Cold” Steve Austin.

    Click here to see a clip from Austin’s interview with WWE Chairman & CEO Vince McMahon from December, 2014, and click here to see a clip from his interview with WWE Executive Vice President, Talent, Live Events & Creative Paul “Triple H®” Levesque from February, 2015.

    The hour-long series joins the slate of brand new original programming recently announced by WWE Network including, Too Hot For TV Presented by Jerry Springer, Swerved and WWE The List.

  • WWE News: ‘Entourage’ stars on RAW, Samoa Joe doing more indies, Dolph Ziggler injury update

    – Samoa Joe has lengthened the time he will take independent bookings through August. We had gotten word earlier in the week Joe was looking at getting dates in both July and August after first not taking them. He has just been announced for a major show on 8/1 for Northeast Wrestling at Dutchess Stadium in Wappingers Falls, NY, as well as a date the next night.

    – The WWE announced that Adrien Grenier, Kevin Connolly, Kevin Dillon and Jerry Ferrara from the movie “Entourage” will be the guest stars on the 5/25 RAW from the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, NY.

    – Dolph Ziggler needed ten stitches to close the cut over his right eye from headbutting Sheamus just prior to the finish of their match at WWE Payback Sunday night.

  • On this day in pro wrestling history (May 18): Kerry Von Erich NWA title match vs. Superstar Graham; Sullivan vs. Mike Graham, rookie Ric Flair vs. rookie Greg Gagne

    By Brian Hoops, WrestlingObserver.com

    1967 – In Kansas City, Kansas; Sonny Myers defeated Ricky Hunter in three falls; Pat O’Connor defeated Tor Kamata via DQ and Bob Brown defeated The Mongolian Stomper via CO in three falls; In Amarillo, Texas; AWA Tag Team Champions Larry Hennig & Harley Race beat Nick Kozak & Ricky Romero in the 3rd fall and in an Australian Rules (ten 3 minutes rounds) Match, Dory Funk Sr went to a no decision with Thunderbolt Patterson.

    1970 – In Chicago, Illinois; The Chain Gang (Jim Dillinger & Jack Dillinger) beat Dick The Bruiser & The Crusher; Baron Von Raschke beat Ernie Ladd and Wilbur Snyder beat Larry Hennig.

    1973 – In Sheboygan, Wisconsin; Billy Robinson beat Superstar Billy Graham via dq; Nick Bockwinkel beat Horst Hoffman; and Ric Flair wrestled Greg Gagne to a time limit draw.

    1979 – In Knoxville, Tennessee; Kevin Sullivan beat Mike Graham to win United States Junior Title, Alexis Smirnoff beat Ronnie Garvin to win Southeastern Title and NWA World champion Harley Race fought Ron Fuller to a double DQ.

    1980 – In Green Bay, Wisconsin; AWA Tag Team Champions Verne Gagne & Mad Dog Vachon beat Adrian Adonis & Jesse Ventura in a no DQ match; Dino Bravo went to a double DQ with Jerry Blackwell and Greg Gagne beat Super Destroyer Mark II.

    1981 – In Chamlette, Louisiana; The Samoans beat Jim Garvin & Don Diamond; Dick Murdoch beat Super Destroyer and Paul Orndorff beat Leroy Brown

    1982 – In Mobile, Alabama; NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Teddy Gordy, and Ron Fuller & Robert Fuller beat New Zealand Sheepherders in a Southern street fight match.

    1984 – NWA World champion Kerry Von Erich defeated Superstar Billy Graham in Lake City, FL

    1987 – In Memphis, Tennessee; Tommy Rich & Austin Idol beat Bill Dundee & Rocky Johnson in a Texas Death Match; AWA Tag Team Champions Midnight Rockers beat Chic Donovan & Jack Hart and Jeff Jarrett beat Moondog Spot; Ron & Jimmy Garvin defeated NWA U.S. Tag Team Champions The Midnight Express, Bobby Eaton & Stan Lane in a non-title match in Fayetteville, NC.

    1988 – In Evansville, Indiana; AWA Champion Jerry Lawler beat Bill Dundee; Robert Fuller went to a no contest with Jeff Jarrett and
    Curt Hennig beat Scott Steiner.

    1997 – In Charlotte, NC at the Slammiversary PPV; Steven Regal defeated Ultimo Dragon to win the WCW TV Title. Also, Ric Flair, Roddy Piper and Kevin Greene defeated Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Syxx.

    2003 – In Charlotte North Carolina, Eddie Guerrero & Yoshihiro Tajiri won the WWE Tag Team Championship by defeating Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin in a ladder match. Also, Christian won a battle royal to win the Intercontinental Title.

    2008 – In Omaha, Nebraska, The Undertaker defeated Edge to win the vacant WWE Title.

  • MMA Results: Shooto Brazil 54 on UFC Fight Pass recap

    Image: MMAWeekly.com

    By Paul Fontaine, WrestlingObserver.com

    The Big Takeaway – The inaugural Shooto Brazil event to air on UFC Fight Pass was not without it’s hiccups. Both former UFC fighters on the card got wins and Felipe Froes became the new Featherweight champion in the main event. Team Nova Uniao (Jose Aldo and Renan Barao’s team) had a team member in almost every fight.

    Jason Chambers and former UFC Bantamweight champion Dominick Cruz were the commentators and they were not on site but in a studio somewhere. The presentation was top notch, not quite UFC standards but way above any regional promotion I’ve seen and on par with the old Strikeforce Challengers shows or current WSOF shows.

    Cruz and Chambers were good, particularly Cruz, but not without their issues. Cruz mis-identified the fighters in the first fight for the first 1 ½ rounds, finally getting it right just before the finish. The records of the fighters on the broadcast were different from the notes that Cruz and Chambers had or what were listed on most major websites. Many of the fighters even had different names than what had been listed on most previews but that’s fairly common for Brazilian fighters.

    There was a technical problem during one match where there was only audio for about two minutes before the feed completely cut out and a “technical problems, please stand by” graphic came up. The feed came back during the entrances for the next fight with no indication from the announcers as to who won the fight they’d cut away from so I’m assuming they were not aware.

    Here are the results, with some notes, where applicable. Please note that some records and/or names may be different than what you see elsewhere:

    Mattheus Nacacche (5-4) over Almir de Oliveira with a  2nd round KO

    Finish was unique in that Nacacche hit a hard punch to the liver and Oliveira dropped and before Nacacche followed up with ground and pound, Oliveira tapped, even though he wasn’t in a hold.

    Guilherme Doin (5-3) over Denilson Oliveira by unanimous decision

    No scores were shown, although they were announced in Portugese. This was the case all night.

    Elves Oliveira (1-0) over Carlos Eduardo with a first round submission (rear naked choke)

    Francivaldo Nego (5-1) over Ivan Paiva with a first round submission (neck crank)

    Alex Trem Bala (2-0) over Felipe Colen by decision

    No scores were announced or even if it was unanimous so I’m assuming it may have been a split. Both these guys are very skilled and will likely make their way into UFC in the next few years. I had it 29-28 Bala but the third round was a toss-up as both guys came close to finishing at different points. If you watch one fight on this show, I’d recommend this one.

    Gulherme “Leo Jacare” Leonardo def. Julio Splinter by u/d

    This was the fight that the feed cut out on. Jacare had clearly won the first round and was winning the second when the feed cut out.

    Luiz Cane (16-6) over Felipe Dourado by first round TKO (punches)

    This was a bad stoppage. Cane, the former UFC fighter, knocked him down and had dropped in for ground and pound. Dourado was defending well and didn’t even look all that hurt and the ref stopped it anyways. The ref may have been Eduardo Herdy, who you’ll recall had a really bad stoppage in a UFC fight in Brazil earlier this year that cost Drew Dober a fight (later changed to a no-contest). Herdy definitely reffed the main event of this show.

    Ronys Torres (29-5) over Benito Tavares by unanimous decision

    Torres gave up a lot of size but pretty much had his way with Tavares for the whole fight.

    Felipe Froes (12-2-1) over Thiago Manchinha by split decision to win the Featherweight title

    This was three rounds, not five. I had Froes winning 30-27. 2nd round was kind of close but Froes clearly won 1 and 3 so not sure how Manchinha could’ve got the W on a scorecard. With 10 seconds left in the second round and Manchinha on top in dominant position, referee Herdy ordered a break, seemingly to check on a cut. While they were on their way back to the corners, the bell sounded to end the round and Herdy just acted like the round was over. Didn’t end up playing into the finish at all but was a bad mistake from a ref who’s had a bad year.

    With a lot of MMA available via a lot of different platforms, this show is not anything that the most hardcore of hardcore fans needs to see. But I’ve seen a lot worse, I will say that.

    If you’re interested in reading full fight recaps, I’ve got a play by play report up here.

  • Boxing: GGG continues his winning ways as he looks for a big fight later this year

    By Jeremy Wall

    Gennady “GGG” Golovkin (33-0, 30 KOs) scored his twentieth knockout victory in a row Saturday night, May 16th when he defeated Willie Monroe Jr (19-2, 6 KOs) via sixth-round knockout at the Inglewood Forum on HBO. It was Golovkin’s fourteenth title defense at 160-pounds, as he was putting up the IBO Middleweight title and the WBA Super World Middleweight. Golovkin is also the interim WBC Middleweight champion, but that title was not on the line.

    “I want to fight a southpaw because I want to show everybody that I can beat any style, it doesn’t matter,” Golovkin told FightNews.com before the bout. “I’m very anxious. This is a big test for me. I remember a lot of fighters, like Canelo, Cotto, and a lot of great champions have had problems with southpaws. So why not test myself?”

    Golovkin went into the fight considered one of the best pound-for-pound boxers on the planet, coming off a win over Martin Murray on HBO from Monte Carlo earlier this year. Murray was the first fighter to take Golovkin to eleven rounds, as Golovkin had only been taken to the tenth round once during his pro career back in 2011.

    Monroe went in as a relative unknown and the prefight video package for Monroe promoted the idea that Monroe uncle Willie “The Worm” Monroe had once upset Marvin Hagler and that maybe history could repeat itself. Monroe had won the 2014 ESPN Friday Night Fights eight-man Boxcino tournament.

    Golovkin landed 133 of 297 punches (45%) and Monroe landed 87 of 305 punches (29%) during the bout. Golovkin also scored three knockdowns during the fight. He knocked Monroe down twice in the second round, when the fight looked like it could easily have been called by referee Jack Reiss. Monroe narrowly escaped defeat in the second, though, and made the fight interesting, even winning at least a round against Golovkin before being knocked down again in the sixth and telling Reiss “I’m done.”

    Golovkin easily won the first round before scoring a 10-7 round in the second. The first knockdown came when Golovkin landed a perfectly timed left hook on southpaw Monroe’s jaw. Monroe was strafing away from Golovkin up to that point, trying to make himself a moving target. Monroe beat the count, but was knocked down a again after a Golovkin combo.

    In the third round, Monroe threw more offense and got off defensive mode, which got him into the fight. Golovkin let up a bit on Monroe in the third, but still won the round. In the fourth, Monroe looked like he might stage a comeback. Golovkin allowed himself to be peppered with power shots to the head while they were in the center of the ring. Monroe may have won the fourth round by out striking Golovkin, who took the barrage and told Monroe to keep coming. Monroe isn’t a fighter with much power, though, and it looked like his offensive flurry in the fourth did little to damage Golovkin.

    In the fifth, Golovkin came back and scored left hooks to Monroe’s body and overhand rights to his head. Monroe was staggered by a left hook early on, but fought back and landed some combos of his own before the end of the round. In the sixth, however, Golovkin started landing with power and he dropped Monroe with a combo. Monroe got to his knee, but told Jack Reiss he didn’t want to continue.

    “We commend Willie Monroe Jr. for accepting the challenge of fighting Gennady, which many other contenders and even titleholders are unwilling to even consider,” said Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions, the company that promotes Golovkin.

    In his post-fight interview with Max Kellerman, Golovkin claimed he allowed Monroe to survive the second round and to comeback in the later rounds to give Monroe a chance to make the fight interesting.

    ”First, I showed him who’s the real champ,” Golovkin said afterwards. “Second, I gave him a chance. I didn’t lose control. “

    “This is not just five minutes,” Golovkin continued. “All my friends come to the show. I stay right here. I gave real present.”

    “Gennady had him out in the second round but it looked like he let him get back in the fight,” said Loeffler. “He said he wanted the fans to get more of their money’s worth and then he broke him down.”

    “We were both in motion and he hit me with a good shot,” Monroe said. “He is strong. Golovkin did a good job. He was easy to hit but he takes a good shot.”

    Golovkin has taken up residence in California, relocating his family from Germany. He has become a drawing card in the state, becoming a major babyface with his awkward Eastern European charisma and exciting power in the ring. He even wore gloves and trunks with the colours of the LA Lakers. Ticket sales were strong. Before the fight Loeffler said the 12,600-seat configuration of the Forum was nearly sold out and that they may open more sections.

    “My performance was special for you guys,” Golovkin told the crowd at Inglewood. “This was a very good drama show. This was for you.”

    Golovkin earned $1.5 million for the fight. Monroe received $100,000. Last week, Canelo Alvarez received $3.5 million to face James Kirkland on HBO at Minute Maid Park in Houston. Mayweather and Pacquiao the week before both received enough money to fund a small war as a reward for fighting in the most lucrative boxing match of all time.

    Golovkin will fight again before the end of the year, which will be third fight in 2015. The three biggest names Golovkin could possibly face are Canelo Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, and Andre Ward. There are problems getting Golovkin into the ring with all three and it is unlikely Golovkin will face any of them before the end of the year. All three fights are possible next year, or after that.

    The main holdup in getting Golovkin in against the biggest names at middleweight is that Golovkin is a destroyer and it doesn’t look like anyone can beat him right now. Also, Golovkin has yet to develop into a ratings draw on television. That means the money to face Golovkin is not quite high enough to make taking a risky fight worthwhile for any big name fighter.

    The biggest fight for Golovkin would be against Canelo. Of Canelo, Ward, and Cotto, Canelo is probably the only opponent for Golovkin who would have a strong enough name to do the fight on pay per view and make it profitable. Ward and Cotto don’t have strong enough names to make doing a pay per view fight against Golovkin profitable, although that isn’t to say that HBO might not try, anyway.

    There are a few issues getting the Canelo fight done. First, Canelo competes at super welterweight (154 pounds) and would need to move up to middleweight to face Golovkin (160 pounds). Golovkin is a big middleweight. Alvarez has fought at middleweight in the past, but not against someone with the power and the size of Golovkin. That power and size would make Golovkin the favourite and it could be a fight that ends badly for Canelo.

    The second issue is that Canelo is the singular meal ticket for Oscar de la Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions. Al Haymon used to provide most of the fighters, including many of Golden Boy’s box office stars, to the promotion, but took his fighters with him when he formed Premier Boxing earlier this year. The only real drawing card Golden Boy has left is the 24-year-old Canelo. Golden Boy is not going to risk damaging Canelo’s drawing power with a bad loss unless the payoff is so massive that it is worth the risk. Right now, there is no proof that Golovkin could draw that massively as an opponent for Canelo.

    “I think if it was up to Oscar it would be 2020. I think the public demands that,” said Abel Sanchez, Golovkin’s trainer, before the fight against Monroe. “It’s the next big fight. We can’t like we did with Manny and Floyd. We have to get these guys while they’re rising. It would be a great fight in Cinco de Mayo next year or during Independence Day next year. I think the build-up would be perfect.”

    “Canelo? Not the future — right now I am ready for the big fights,” Golovkin said in his post-fight interview. “Miguel and Canelo. Right now. Not in the future. I am ready for the big fights right now. The next show.”

    “When the day comes for me to move up to 160 I will face the best in the division. Sincerely and with humility I don’t see any real competition for me. Greetings to everyone!” Canelo said on Twitter after Golovkin beat Monroe.

    “It’s not realistic to fight Canelo until at least next year,” said Loeffler. “[Golden Boy says] the fight needs to be built, but the way Canelo sold 31,000 tickets last week and the way Gennady sells here in L.A., I don’t know how much more it needs to be built.”

    One thing that Golden Boy might be waiting on is for age to expose chinks in Golovkin’s armor. Golovkin is already 33 years old. If Golden Boy waits two or three years to put Canelo against Golovkin, Golovkin will likely be past his athletic prime, whereas Canelo would still be in his. A couple of years would also give other opponents the chance to expose ways to beat Golovkin that Canelo could take advantage of when the time comes.

    The problem with waiting for the big money fight in combat sports is that because fights can’t be controlled like in pro wrestling, you end up with plans being ruined by an upset along the way. Usually it is best to make the money fight as soon as possible. But in the case, it is probably only the best for Golovkin and HBO. If Golovkin faces Canelo on pay per view within the next year, Golovkin would be the favourite to win and it would cross Golovkin over to pay per view for his future fights and turn him into a drawing card. But for Canelo and Golden Boy, it isn’t worth the risk right now because they don’t care about making Golovkin into a drawing card. They are about him being a drawing card going into the fight, so they can get a payoff commensurate with the risk of fighting Golovkin.

    WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman is reportedly permitting Miguel Cotto to defend the WBC Middleweight belt against Canelo later this year, assuming Cotto gets past Daniel Geale on June 6th on HBO. But the catch is that the winner of Canelo-Cotto has to sign a contract stating that he will defend the WBC belt against the interim champion Golovkin.

    “We are going to fight in September, the truth we already want to important dates, Mexican dates,” Canelo’s trainer and manager     Eddy Reynoso told ESPN Deportes. “We’re going to fight in September and look for an interesting fight. We are going to fight on September 12, who, with the best that is available to Saul. We’re going to sit with De la Hoya. We want the big fights, we are already ready to go get the fighters…, the best fighters that are in the category.”

    Cotto would also be a solid opponent for Golovkin, although not as big of a draw as Canelo. “We can’t make those guys [Canelo and Cotto] fight him. If we could get Cotto in the ring it would be great. Canelo looks like he wants to wait to build it up some more,” said Loeffler.

    “I respect Miguel Cotto. Miguel is a great champion,” said Golovkin. “After this fight [against Monroe], I don’t know who wins, but I stay here and wait for my big fight.”

    The third major name that Golovkin could fight besides Canelo and Cotto is Andre Ward. “I respect Andre,” Golovkin said. “Maybe right now he is not ready. Right now Canelo and Cotto, then Ward.”

    Ward is scheduled to face Paul Smith on June 20th on BET for Jay Z’s Roc Nation promotions as part of a time buy. It will be Ward’s first fight since he beat Edwin Rodriguez by unanimous decision in November 2013.

    Tom Loeffler is claiming that the financial demands of Ward make a fight between him and Golovkin hard to put together. Ward’s financial demands would necessitate the fight airing on pay per view, according to Loeffler.

    “I don’t want easy fights,” Golovkin said. “I’m ready now. Not the future, but now. I want to fight Canelo or Cotto. I want to fight them now. After Canelo or Cotto, then Andre Ward can go.”

    Ward fighting Golovkin in the fall would make sense, with the winner of that fight to face the winner of Cotto-Canelo on Cinco de Mayo next year, assuming Cotto gets past Geale and Ward gets past Paul Smith in a few weeks. Cotto-Canelo, Golovkin-Ward, and then the winners of the those two fights would be promoted by HBO, with only Golovkin-Ward probably not being strong enough to air on pay per view. This combination of fights gives HBO a counterpoint to a Floyd Mayweather fight in September promoted by Showtime on pay per view, which they can run against with Canelo-Cotto. It also gives HBO a counterpoint to a possible Mayweather fight next May should Mayweather choose to fight and fight someone other than Pacquiao, as HBO can run with Canelo or Cotto against Golovkin or Ward on pay per view.

    But with Ward wanting to face other opponents later this year, that means for a fight this September Golovkin will have to fight someone else to stay busy waiting to see what happens with Cotto-Canelo. “We will keep doing what we are doing while we try to get a big one,” Loeffler said. “People love to come out and come to see him fight regardless of who he fights. People just want to see him in the ring because he is so exciting.

    “I want to fight to unify the titles,” said Golovkin. “For me, it’s very important [to clarify] who’s No. 1; who’s best in the world in the middleweight division? Absolutely, I hope for a big fight with Miguel and, of course, I want a unification fight with Andy Lee. I think he’s ready and, of course, my dream fight is against Floyd.”

    Loeffler has said that Golovkin may fight twice more this year, once in September and once in December with possible locations for the September fight being Mexico, England, or Germany, and then returning to the US in December. Besides WBO Middleweight champion Andy Lee, another possible opponent is the winner of the June 20th match for the vacant IBF Middleweight title between David Lemieux and Hassan N’Dam.

    “We’d like to plan his [Golovkin] next fight for September,” Loeffler told FightNews.com. “Cotto has a tough fight for June, and we’re going to keep doing the same formula. We can’t wait on fights. If we can get Cotto in the ring, which Gennady is the mandatory for, that’s a great fight. Canelo, it looks like he wants to build that fight, which is great. It could be next year. You can’t force someone to fight. We’re going to keep doing what we’re doing. The people come out regardless of who Gennady fights. September is the target date.”

    There have also been talks of Golovkin facing Mayweather, but it is a far-fetched dream match at this point. “Of course, it is my dream fight,” Golovkin said. “Obviously, Floyd, he is a great champion, and a little bit different style. Floyd, he’s a smart guy. He does a lot of moving. For my style, a little bit different, I like drama show, I like real fight, like close fight. I want show, big show — big drama show.”

    Abel Sanchez has said that the only fighter that Golovkin would be willing to come down to 154-pounds for is Mayweather, which would make Golovkin a massive super welterweight. “Only for Floyd,” said Sanchez. “There’s no reason to go down for Canelo. Canelo hasn’t made 154 in three fights over. I’m sure he’ll be moving to 160. But for Floyd, most definitely.”

    “I’m pretty sure we’re going to find a real solid guy that’s going to push me for that last fight and when I go out, you know, I want to go out with a bang,” Mayweather said recently on Shade 45 SiriusXM Radio regarding his next fight.

    Golovkin is unlikely to be the fighter that sends Mayweather out with a bang, though, because of the size difference and the belief that Golovkin would defeat Mayweather. Floyd is not going to risk his perfect record at this stage of his career by putting Golovkin over on his way into retirement. Mayweather is more likely to face someone who is a credible opponent, but unlikely to win, such as Amir Khan, who faces Chris Algieri on Spike TV later this month.

    Whether Golovkin can score the big fights depends on Golovkin’s ability to draw money. His fight against Murray aired on a Saturday afternoon on HBO and drew 862,000 viewers, peaking at 938,000. It was ahead of HBO’s Saturday afternoon fights from 2013, which were Froch-Groves II (700,000) and Klitschko-Pulev (620,000). The replay that night added 571,000 viewers for a total of 1.433 million. Prior to that, Golovkin drew 1.304 million viewers for his fight against Marco Antonio Rubio, peaking at 1.323 million and 984,000 viewers against Daniel Geale, peaking at 1.048 million.

    Boxing has been on a roll this year. Premier is drawing record ratings with their aggressive expansion on network television and Mayweather-Pacquiao was the most lucrative fight in history. But HBO has also been doing well. Last week’s Canelo-Kirkland fight drew 2.146 million viewers and peaked at 2.296 million, HBO’s best since a 2006 fight between Bernard Hopkins and Antonio Tarver. The Canelo-Kirkland broadcast included the replay of Mayweather-Pacquiao. And a few weeks ago, HBO drew 1.637 million viewers for Wladimir Klitschko’s Heavyweight title defense against Bryant Jennings at Madison Square Garden. HBO hadn’t drawn a rating that high since 2012, although the rating for the Klitschko fight was of course later surpassed by the Canelo-Kirkland bout. The most watched fight on HBO in 2014 was Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. versus Bryan Vera, drawing 1.39 million viewers, peaking at 1.53 million.

    It has been interesting because 2015 has been the first year since the UFC became huge in 2006 that boxing has entered back into the American mainstream. Boxing has had major pay per views during the last ten years that have drawn well, but this year is really the first time since the UFC became popular that boxing overall as an industry looks to have some life.

    There is real competition for dollars between boxing and UFC. It is not a coincidence that the only major network Al Haymon isn’t working with for Premier is Fox, which has the UFC. And UFC loading up their May pay per view to compete with Mayweather-Pacquiao is not coincidence, either.

    In many ways, UFC’s primary competition is not Bellator, but Premier Boxing, as well as HBO. WWE is also a major competitor for UFC. The typical consumer only has so much money to spend and for instance it is likely that most UFC fans dropped $100 to see Mayweather-Pacquiao this month and it is unlikely that most of these fans have another $60 free to spend on combat sports to watch the upcoming UFC pay per view.

    It’s about what kind of audience a promotion draws. Dana White likes to refer to himself as a fight salesman, talking regularly about how his job is to sell fights. But Dana doesn’t sell fights. He sells audiences. The UFC’s primary product is their television audience, which they are selling to Fox (and elsewhere internationally). The fighters are the ones who sell fights, as they sell their fights to the UFC, who then converts those fights into an audience and subsequently sells the audience to Fox. Fox then sells the audience to advertisers. Advertising is the reason that UFC’s primary product is their audiences and not their fights because Fox makes more money the bigger the audience within the right demographic (young males with good jobs). The more money Fox makes from ads, the more that UFC is worth.

    Pay per view and subscriptions services such as Fight Pass or even HBO work a bit different, but are still related to the sale of audiences rather than fights. UFC needs free television space to hype their pay per views and Fight Pass, as without television UFC is back to where they were before 2005. But to stay on TV, UFC has to be able to sell an audience to a network, who then packages that audience to advertisers. That means in order to make money off pay per view or Fight Pass, UFC still has to be able to sell audiences.

    Boxing is similar. Haymon’s business model is the same as UFC in regards to UFC’s revenue from Fox, as well as on pay per view (Haymon doesn’t have a Fight Pass type service, although it has been rumoured). Haymon needs to be able to sell his audience to advertisers. The supply chain is shorter on Haymon’s side compared to UFC, though. For the UFC, Fox pays them to produce content to gain an audience and then Fox sells that audience to advertisers. For Haymon, Premier pays networks like NBC and CBS for the air time and then sells their audience directly to advertisers. The difference is that for the UFC, Fox is selling the audience to advertisers, whereas for Premier, Haymon rather than NBC, CBS, or ABC, is selling the audience to advertisers.

    HBO has a totally different business model because HBO doesn’t have advertisements, but instead makes their money as a subscription services, similar to Fight Pass in a sense. HBO takes at least half of the subscription fee that users pay to their cable providers to access the channel. HBO thus isn’t selling an audience to a third party, like the business model used by UFC and Haymon.

    What all of this means is what has basically been the reintroduction of boxing to the masses by Al Haymon has increased boxing’s overall exposure, with audiences trickling over to HBO broadcasts and putting boxing into direct competition with the UFC. But for now, boxing is selling a different audience demographic than the UFC. People that watch boxing are much older and spend far less money on consumer products like video games, hamburgers, and energy drinks, compared to people that watch UFC. That means UFC’s audience is a more lucrative product compared to Haymon’s audience.

    But if boxing continues to grow in popularity and prove the sport’s success so far in 2015 isn’t just for the short-term (which it may very well be), then that growth could put boxing into competition with the UFC for the UFC’s target demographic of males 18-34. It’s a long-shot and it will probably take years to happen if it happens at all, but if boxing can grow with males 18-34, that will hurt UFC because Haymon will be paying for television time and then turning around and selling ads, rather than UFC being paid for TV time and the network needing to sell the ads to make a profit. And if Haymon gets to the point where the networks pay him for TV time, he could undercut UFC on price, making it difficult for UFC to ask for more money when their contract comes up with Fox. But that all depends on Haymon hitting the same target demos as UFC, which is unlikely to happen the way things look right now.

    The point is that for boxing to work, the boxing people have to be able to put together the major fights like Mayweather-Pacquiao, or Canelo-Golovkin, or Adonis Stevenson-Sergey Kovalev, among other bouts. Haymon’s massive expansion may eventually bring all of boxing under one umbrella the way that all of MMA is essentially controlled by the UFC. But we’re a long way from that happening and UFC has the distinct advantage compared to boxing in putting together fights that draw an audience because of all the people involved in putting together a major boxing match and the politics these people bring to the table.

    *****

    On the undercard of the Golovkin-Monroe bout, Roman Gonzalez (43-0, 37 KOs) made his debut on American television by knocking out Edgar Sosa (51-9, 30 KOs) in the second round at flyweight. Gonzalez is considered one of the best pound-for-pound boxers on the planet and putting his HBO debut on the undercard of a Golovkin fight was an obvious move to get as many people watching Gonzalez as possible. It was the second successful defense of Gonzalez’s 112-pound title.

    It worked. Gonzalez looked like a new star by destroying former Junior Flyweight champion Sosa in a few short minutes. Nicaragua’s Gonzalez scored three knockdowns in the second round before the fight was called at 2:37 of the second round. The 35-year-old Sosa was obviously brought in as a showcase opponent to introduce Gonzalez to American audiences. Gonzalez, 27, is a trainee of the late Alexis Arguello, the greatest boxer in Nicaraguan history. Gonzalez began training under Arguello in Managua at the age of fourteen. Arguello committed suicide in 2009 at the age of 57. Debuting on HBO at the Inglewood Forum was a big deal to Gonzalez because the Forum is the venue where Arguello had many of his biggest fights.

    “With the grace of God and through my training with Alexis Arguello, I was able to put on a performance like this,” Gonzalez said. “I am so happy to be here on HBO. I’m very happy with my performance. He was a tough fighter, but my power made the difference. I want to fight Juan Estrada next, hopefully on HBO and hopefully in the United States.”

    “He was good. He surprised me, but he is a very good fighter,” said Sosa. “I can’t tell if he’s the best because it only went two rounds. If the fight had gone longer, I would know more. It wasn’t one particular punch that hurt me. It was a series of punches that hurt me.”

    Gonzalez-Sosa was the first time in 20 years that HBO has aired a flyweight match, the last bout being a Danny Romero fight in 1995. “I am grateful for the opportunity that HBO has given me, to put me in a position where I can show the world my ability — it’s a blessing,” Gonzalez said before the bout. “If everything comes out as planned, after this fight other big things will happen. I am definitely going to focus on this fight with Sosa for now, and hopefully everything comes out as planned. And if so, I would definitely like a rematch with [Juan Francisco] Estrada.”

    Juan Francisco Estrada (32-2, 23 KOs) is the likely next opponent for Gonzalez. Estrada lost to Gonzalez by unanimous decision in 2012 at junior flyweight. It was an exciting fight and a rematch could be a fight of the year candidate. Another possible opponent for Gonzalez is WBO Bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue. The Inoue fight would presumably take place at 115-pounds.

    Credit for the idea of bringing flyweights back to HBO goes to Peter Nelson, HBO’s VP of Programming. “Roman is one of the brightest lights in boxing,” Nelson told RingTV.com. “Those who know the cognizant of boxing, hardcore fans, members of the press, have great awareness to the spectacular fights that he’s been in as well as the fight he’s in next week that augurs to be a tremendous all action fight with Edgar Sosa.”

    “There is still plenty of richness in the flyweight division itself,” continued Nelson. “We’ve seen fighters at that weight reinvent themselves with greater regularity than fighters at heavier weights. We’ve seen that in iterations of careers, whether we see the great fights with [Juan] Estrada; Brian Viloria is constantly a threat. Fighters like this can always make good, quality fights with a fighter like Roman Gonzalez, who always comes to fight. He’s an all-action kind of fighter. So there’s a great profound, richness to the division. It also augurs well for what else is there for him if he decides to move up in the coming years.”

    That HBO is bringing back flyweights in a year where there is a ton of boxing on television is no coincidence. The amount of boxing being produced on TV in 2015 means that promotions need more fighters to fill television time and will start to look to fighters they would normally use otherwise. HBO is in a war with Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing and both sides need to think outside the box in order to bring in as much fan interest to their respective products as possible. Gonzalez is an example of HBO thinking outside the box.

    Gonzalez earned $200,000 for the fight and Sosa earned $40,000.

  • WWE Payback results & recap: John Cena vs. Rusev I Quit, Seth Rollins vs. Randy Orton vs. Roman Reigns vs. Dean Ambrose for WWE title

    By Dave Meltzer, WrestlingObserver.com

    Welcome to our live coverage of WWE Payback from Baltimore’s Royal Farms Arena.  We’re looking for your thoughts on this show as well as Friday night’s ROH show so you can leave a thumbs up, thumbs down or thumbs in the middle along with a best and worst match to dave@wrestlingobserver.com

    They’ve added the Bella Twins vs. Naomi & Tamina Snuka to the PPV.

    STARDUST VS. R-TRUTH

    This came across like a warmup match, which it was.  Nothing much to it.  R-Truth won clean with the lie detector in a short match.

    MACHO MANDOW & AXELMANIA VS. THE ASCENSION

    Nothing to this either.  Axel was wearing a Hogan outfit with bleached blond and fu manchu.  But The Ascension pinned Mandow after the Fall of Man quickly.  The way Michael Cole called the finish, you got the impression it was the blow-off for the Mega Powers.

    They outright said that Kane will be fired if Seth Rollins doesn’t retain the title tonight.

    DOLPH ZIGGLER VS. SHEAMUS

    Sheamus won with a Brogue kick after Ziggler busted himself up with a head-butt.  Ziggler was covered in hardway blood and it looked like they went right to the finish as Ziggler wasn’t even on his feet for the kick.  Earlier in the match Ziggler hiked up his trunks and rubbed his ass in Sheamus’ face so heTgot revenge for the kiss my ass stipulation.  The cameras were staying away from showing Ziggler bloody.

    Seth Rollins and Kane are backstage running down their gripes with each other.  Kane said if you lose the title, I get what I want.  Losing may teach you how to be a real champion and a real man.  Kane said I love this job and I don’t need this job so I may stand idly by while the title slips from your fingers.  So they’re telling everyone the whole story of the main event if if Kane helps Rollins or not.  Rollins said if you do anything to keep me from retaining the title, losing your job will be the least of your problems.  Noble & Mercury tried to get tough and Kane laughed in their face.

    NEW DAY VS. TYSON KIDD & CESARO 2/3 FALLS FOR TAG TITLE

    The New Day retained when Xavier Woods, who was the non-particpant snuck into the ring and schoolboyed Cesaro for the pin.  The match was cool and the crowd was into it, but it was way too short for three falls.  They rushed through the falls and there were several missed spots, but lots of cool stuff as well.  First fall was the giant swing dropkick spot on Kingston.  The New Day won the second fall with their regular on finish on Kidd, which was mistimed.  Kidd, Cesaro and E did some very impressive stuff here.  Not quite as good as their match last month.

    RYBACK VS. BRAY WYATT

    Wyatt won with a tackle sending Ryback into the exposed metal after removing the padding off the turnbuckle and hit Sister Abigail for the pin.  Not as good as the previous matches but decent enough.  Highlights were Wyatt doing a senton off the apron on him and Ryback doing a splash off the top rope.

    JOHN CENA VS. RUSEV I QUIT MATCH FOR U.S. TITLE

    A nearly 30 minute match with the obvious finish, as Cena had Rusev in the STF while also using the top rope to put added pressure on and Lana said “I Quit.”  This was more a stunt show than a match, with both beating on each other and each refusing to quit.  They didn’t do much in the way of submissions only a Rusev Accolade that Cena got out of.  Cena gave Rusev an Attitude Adjustment into the pyro which they teased as being the finish  Lana came out but she didn’t say I Quit for several more minutes.  It was good but the moves to set up he ref asking if each guy would quit were really not convncing most of the way. 

    The New Day were just told they were defending the titles in a Chamber match in two weeks.  They were freaking out.  I guess they don’t pay attention to their business.  I’ve seen sillier things done like this.

    BELLA TWINS VS.  NAOMI & TAMINA SNUKA

    Naomi pinned Nikki after slamming her off the top rope.  They had a hard time following he previous match.  Match also bordered on falling apart toward the end.  At one time Snuka was supposed to trip Nikki to set up the rear view, she was out of position and Nikki had to wait for her. 

    Rusev is furious about losing.  Lana is sitting there.  He’s talking a foreign language and told her to “Get out.”  I guess tomorrow on Raw may be the split.

    NEVILLE VS. KING BARRETT

    They were in a tough spot to get heat.  Match was going along fine when Barrett rolled out of the ring as Neville went to the top rope  Barrett refused to get back in the ring and was counted out.  So after the match, Barrett hit the Bull hammer and beat him down, but Neville made a comeback and used a German suplex and hit the red arrow.  If he was going to hit the red arrow, why didn’t he just win.  Talk about overthinking something simple.

    SETH ROLLINS VS. RANDY ORTON VS. ROMAN REIGNS VS. DEAN AMBROSE FOR WWE TITLE

    Very good match but a flat finish.  Orton used the RKO on Noble, Mercury, hit the draping DDT on Rollins, then hit the RKO on Kane but Rollins then hit Orton with the pedigree for the pin.  A lot of very good spots including a period where The Shield triple power bombed Orton through a table.  Then they turned on Rollins and laid him out.  Then they put Kane through a table on top of Rollins.  That took two tries because the table didn’t break the first time.  Ambrose and Reigns were the last two standing and worked spots with each other but Rollins saved after Reigns hit the spear. 

  • First batch of feedback, Payback, ROH, Boxing, MMA

    This was a good show . I give it a thumbs up. To be fair ROH has been on fire  with good matches on television, and good shows on their VOD service. For the most part from top to bottom the matches were good. The problem though I thought the matches weren’t as good as I was anticipating. 

    The best match of the night was the main event. This was tremendous an a MOTYC. It had a real Von Erich/Freebird feel in the sense it was super chaotic. It even had an updated version of the triple Von Erich drop kick . We got a quintuple super kick. Yes I stated it had chaos, but we also got shine and heat segments. Super hot moves and everybody got to shine or have a moment to look great in this match. Strong was the glue to his team. While Styles and the Bucks pushed the action on their side. Just outstanding and it makes you want to see matches off pairings in this match.

    The worst match was the opener. Moose needs to stop the standing headbutts when he gets a tag. They don’t come across as organic. 

    Pete Schirmacher

    Thumbs in the middle.

    Best match: 10-man tag.
    Worst match: 3-way tag.

    ROH is quite weird. For whatever reason, they continue to deliver more on the “Lesser” shows compared to the “Important” ones. That trend continues this week with both Philadelphia shows beating the Toronto iPPV by a solid margin in quality.

    Show was fine, but had nothing you need to go out of your way to see. 

    The crowd was substantially down in terms of reactions compared to last year. In fact, this was one of the worst ROH crowds I’ve ever experienced live, and that covers dozens and dozens of shows since 2003. They didn’t really know any of the New Japan Japanese talents, but loved the Bullet Club, and were really out to get themselves over and chant TNA related things at the former TNA guys.

    It’s funny, Philly was the Toronto crowd stereotype and Toronto was the Philly crowd stereotype this go around.

    Thank you,
    Sal Sarinzio

    Global Wars Night 1
    Thumbs Up
    Best Match: Okada vs Cedric Alexander
    Worst Match: Gedo/Moose vs Silas Young/Takaaki Watanabe

    Global Wars Night 2
    Thumbs Slightly Up
    Best Match: Roderick Strong vs Shinsuke Nakamura
    Worst Match: Silas Young vs Takaaki Watanabe

    Hi Dave,

    I attended both of the live shows in Toronto this weekend. Overall it was a very good weekend for prowrestling fans in Toronto. It was really great to see the ROH talent mash up with the New Japan guys (I missed it last year). Night 1 was much more entertaining than Night 2, but it’s hard to compare the two since Night 1 was an iPPV and Night 2 was intended for TV tapings; two different beasts.

    Regarding Night 1, not sure how it translated on iPPV, but at the live show, the crowd seemed hot throughout.   Nakamura and Bullet Club were the most over, and in general, the crowd seemed to respect all the Japanese talent.   The final match was really hard to follow from the floor seats. There was just too much going on. I’d like to see a replay of the iPPV just to catch things I missed. There was really no bad match per se. By default the Gedo/Moose vs Silas Young/Takaaki Watanabe was the “worst” match when compared to the rest of the card, but really, it was a good match for what it was. For me, the Okada and Alexander match was the best. Great flow and chemistry with the two.

    As Night 2 was a string of TV tapings, the evening moved to the rhythm of what you would typically expect in a TV show (i.e. DQs, countouts, promos, etc.). The show went long as I think they did 4 tapings (it started around 7:30 PM and ended around 11:45 PM) and by the end, you could tell that the crowd was running out of energy. Some spoilers ahead. There weren’t really any outstanding matches in the first half of the show. The biggest highlight was the Cedric Alexander turn which went further as he used a foreign object (brass knuckles?) to nail Moose for the win. I don’t follow the ROH TV show, but from what I gather, this was Moose’s first loss. If so, I was surprised that they did it for a TV taping than on a PPV. The last half of the evening was far above the first half in match quality. Crowd was probably most hot for the Strong vs Nakamura fight which the crowd ate up.   Great performance by both men.   Elgin vs Gedo followed the Strong/Nakamura match and at this point, you could tell the crowd was tired as chants and general crowd interactions were subdued.   However, they did pick up for the last match of the night with AJ Styles and Young Bucks vs Okada and RPG. Much like Night 1, Bullet Club was very over. Very fun intro as every person in the match got up on the turnbuckle for cheers before the bell rang, including the Japanese referee who even did a pose and got a huge reaction. The match was really fun and much easier to follow than the 5-on-5 match the night before, with Bullet Club taking the win.  

    Stray Thoughts: I took my girlfriend to see Night 1. Just for some perspective, she is a non-fan. The few times she’s caught glimpses of Monday Night Raw, she’s dismissed it for its inane storylines. That said, even as a non-fan, she really enjoyed the iPPV show live, particularly the Japanese talent and highflyers. To me, it re-affirms that ROH and NJPW put on a great show!

    Thanks for all your work!

    Jeff Lam
    Toronto, Ontario

    BELLATOR 137

    Thumbs somewhat up. Several come-from-behind &/or upset wins, but missed weight issues in the two top fights looks very horseshit.
    Best fight: Zwicker vs. Al-Hassan
    Worst fight: Reiter vs. Radach
    Best performance: Parsons
    Worst performance: Juarez
    KO: Taimanglo
    Sub: Gonzalez

    Idiotic, passive, sloppy fight plan from Jesse Juarez gets him KOed by Ricky Rainey early in the 2nd. Virgil Zwicker wades through most of a round of Razak Al-Hassan kicks, and KOs him with punches, entertaining brawl. Jordan Parsons, probably down on the cards, drops 21/y/o Julio Cesar to 30-1 with a 3rdR Arm Triangle. Antonio Duarte fades after paintjobbing Joe Taimanglo in the 1st and gets KOed in the 3rd via overhand right.

    Darrion Caldwell pretty much skunks Rafael Silva. Impressive considering the experience gap but tedious. 29-28 UD.

    Yet another (Amoussou, Parysian, Zaromskis) upset for Fernando Gonzalez, probably far behind, jumping Guillotine in the 3rd for the tap on the much bigger Curtis Millander.

    Mike Richman misses the extra pound allowance by 3.8 vs. Eduardo Dantas in what was supposed to be a BW title eliminator. Second time in a row he’s missed weight since dropping divisions. Solution seems sorta obvious, huh? First they couldn’t agree on a catchweight, then Richman wouldn’t agree to weigh no more than 147 going into the ring, so the fight was off, but then Dantas decided to fight anyway. Richman looked three divisions bigger. The fight is very close and neither looks very good. Dantas takes the 29-28 UD.

    Brandon Halsey missed by 3.1 lbs. for his MW title defense vs. perennial retread Kendall Grove so if he wins the title is vacant. and if Grove wins he wins the title. There is no extra pound allowance in title fights. Like Warren a few weeks ago, Grove’s promo involves taking a shit. If this is some new kind of company policy I wonder who thought it was a good idea. Halsey wipes the mat with Grove, as expected, till the ref steps in in the 4th, so the title goes vacant.

    In the walkout fight (you have to go back to spike.com or bellator.com ). Benji Radach comes back from a 4 1/2 year layoff and looks it, unable to defend or counter the wild swinging Ben Reiter, an American based for some reason in Peru, and drops a wide UD. One judge somehow gives Benji a round. Both totally gassed by the 3rd. Kimbo-vs.-Houston level bad.

    UFC FN 66 Manila

    Thumbs up. Lot to like on this card.
    Best fight: Magny vs. Lim, Delos Reyes vs. Sangcha-an
    Worst fight: Zhikui-Ticman
    Best performance: Munoz
    Worst performance: Ticman
    KO: Guangyou, Jingliang
    Sub: Delos Reyes

    Nolan Ticman decides he’s Floyd Mayweather and stinks out the joint and drops a bizarre 29-28 SD to the aggressive but almost totally ineffective Yao Zhikui. At least it was anti-hometown, which wouldn’t last. Then night and day great fight as Jon Delos Reyes, badly cut from a head clash, drops Roldan Sancha-an in the 2nd with a big right and then gets the tap with a persistent RNC after a high tech, all action at all ranges war.

    Royston Wee very sluggish after missing weight by a pound and Ning Guangyou does whatever he wants before ending it at the very end of the 2nd with a HK and punches after appearing to gas himself. Li Jingliang blows Dhiego Lima away with a quick KD and G&P. Dhiego should retire before it’s too late. This is 3 1R KO losses in his last 4 fights. Solid performance from Kajan Johnson staying a step ahead of Zhang Lipeng all the way for what should be a 30-27 UD. Two judges somehow give Lipeng a round. Outstanding performance from Jon Tuck walking through Tae Hyun Bang and finishing with a right hook KD, taking back and RNC.

    Missed the next fight. Levan Makashvili W SD Mark Eddiva. Read it wasn’t that close, semi-hometown decision although right winner.

    After a stifling 1stR by Phillipe Nover, Yui Chul Nam takes over the 2nd half of the fight and IMO edges the fight. It’s 29-28 SD Nover, also somewhat hometown but close fight.

    Hyun Gyu Lim rocks Neil Magny early and goes too wild and lets him off the hook. Idiots at fox manage to cut away to the next commercial twice during the round just enough to make us miss the tide turning. Lim gasses and Magny finishes him early in the 2nd with a Suplex, back take, flatten out and G&P and goes to 7 in a row. Magny more than ready for contenders.

    Mark Munoz fighting at home in the Philippines for the first time and it’s his retirement fight win or lose and he’s not there to lose to a Luke Barnatt. Brings back his A game in the 1st with overhand punches, multiple TDs and Donkey Kong G&P but Barnatt is still there and both guys looking spent at the bell. Close to 10-8 round. In the 2nd both gassed and ineffective. Munoz only gets 1 TD and can’t do much with it but that and a big right at the end of the round are enough to edge it. In the 3rd Barnatt keeps walking into the right. Munoz drags him down again. Barnatt hits some Travis Browne elbows trying in vain to avoid another TD. Walks into right hands. Another TD. Munoz has his 2nd wind. Barnatt keeps trying with the elbows. Another TD. More Donkey Kong. Munoz riding and pounding till the bell. Also close to a 10-8 but will probably be all 10-9s. One judge gives Barnatt the 2nd. Munoz cuts the farewell promo and leaves his gloves in the ring.

    Gegard Mousasi out-everythings Costa Phillipou for the UD that the correct score would have been 30-0.

    Almost the same story in the main except the exchanges are competitive. Frankie Edgar just a little better than Urijah Faber at everything and wins every round on every card. Little bigger, little quicker, little more… everything.

    HBO BOXING

    Astounding US/HBO debut for Nicaraguan FlyW Roman ‘Chocolatito’ Gonzalez, a protege of the late great Alexis Arguello, TKOing former sparring employer Edgar Sosa (50-8 going in, no chump)  in the 2nd and retaining whatever titles. Complete blowaway. You have to see this kid. Total aggression and off the chart punching accuracy. He has already held titles in 3 divisions and is (get this) 43-0 with 37 KOs.

    In the main, Gennady Golovkin racks up another KO defense of the MW title not without some drama. He drops Willie Monroe Jr. (great nephew of The Worm) twice in the 2nd and it looks like another squash, but Monroe having failed with his usual hit and run style stands his ground and trades and his speed keeps him in the fight till the 6th, when GGG drops him again and he just beats the count but tells the ref he’s done. Perhaps more to the point GGG sells out the LA Forum against a second (or third) tier opponent and gets a rock star reaction. He has made a point of improving his English and Spanish, and happily calls out Cotto and Andre Ward.
    Crimson Mask

    Thumbs Up
    This was going to be a thumbs in the middle show, but the main event made it a thumbs up.

    Best Match
    4 Way Main Event.  Opened as a free for all but ended out very compelling once things got going.  Great moments, good finish, and they somehow found a way for everyone to matter.

    Worst Match
    Cena v. Rusev.  No wrestling.  Dumb finish.

    Missed Opportunity
    Neville v. Barrett. This match was in a bad spot on the card and felt like it was being rushed.  The finish made no sense.  It was also the worst commentary of the night.     Lots of jokes about kings.  No one called the match.  

    -Nick Garcia

    WWE Payback
    Thumbs in the Middle
    Best Match: Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Roman Reigns vs. Randy Orton
    Worst Match: Bray Wyatt vs. Ryback

    Fun main event, and WWE giving Seth Rollins the Pedigree as a finisher
    is a savvy move to build long-term for the inevitable Rollins/Triple H
    match.

    I watched the majority of this show with the Spanish commentary — and
    I barely speak the language. But it was well worth it to not have to
    endure the grating, inane banter of the English language crew taking
    away from my enjoyment of the matches.

    Think about that for a second. I found it preferable to listen to
    broadcasters who I could barely understand over the horribly produced
    broadcast style that WWE inexplicably seems hell-bent on sticking with
    in spite of it sounding terrible.

    It seems highly questionable for WWE to book violent stip matches with
    so many restrictions in place on what its wrestlers are allowed to do.

    Lou Pickney
    Nashville, TN

    Thumbs Up
    Best Match – Ambrose v. Reigns v. Rollins v. Orton

    Great show.  Really entertaining.
    Main Event started out slow but really delivered in the end despite the worst looking pedigree ever delivered.  All four guys shined at different times.  Really enjoyed the Reigns and Ambrose interactions.
    Tag title match was once again very enjoyable.  Seemed sloppy or mistimed at points but overall had a lot of cool spots and great to overcome any botches. 
    Ryback v. Wyatt far exceeded expectations
    Ziggler v. Sheamus was great but really makes you think maybe headbutts should be banned, assuming thats where Ziggler busted himself open.  With that much blood he must have hit his head pretty hard.  Wouldn’t be surprised if he was concussed as well.

    Devon McClure

    Hey Dave,

    Overall: Thumbs up show. At the beginning of the main event, my thumb was pointed neutral. The quality of the in ring action and the execution of the prevailing story in the main event moved my thumb from east to north. From top to bottom, the roster put in an A effort. Moreover, the bookers (creative team) deserve some credit. Obviously they were not bullet proof, but the show offered a diverse and creative array of finishes that appeared to be appropriate for the matches on an individual basis and for the show as a whole.

    Best Match: Fatal 4 way title match was great. Character contrasts, relationship history, plots, sub plots, peaks, valleys , and good in-ring action creates an exciting and fulfilling cap stone to a good event.

    Worst Match: Divas tag match was “take it or leave it.” If given a second chance, I would leave it.

    A. Metapowers Vs. The Ascension:
    Sorry, but the majority of wrestling comedy does not do it for me. I do not mind subtle humor as a piece of an angle, but when the entire act is comedy, it often compromises any semblance of quasi-competition. I could say this was a harmless crowd pleasing match, but the heels went over and disappointed the crowd. Hopefully, this is an indication that WWE realizes the Metapowers have a short shelf life. ½*

    1. Sheamus Vs. Dolph Ziggler. There was a lot to like about this match. Ziggler’s intensity and fire at the onset was fitting for the personal animosity talked up by the announce team. This intensity reappeared towards the end, concluding in an ill-advised Ziggler head-butt that ultimately cost him the match. I have four complaints about the match. One, the cut off was a simple elbow to the knee but Ziggler sold it like it was a crippling blow. Simply stated, he sold too much too soon. Second of all, despite Ziggler’s obviously compromised knee, instead of working the ailing body part, Sheamus applied a chin lock. Third, once Ziggler mounted his comeback, the knee injury story was erased from the narrative. My last complaint was the ass kiss spot. It is difficult to go from funny gag master to courageous and determined babyface in the span of five minutes. Action and aggression helped the match, inconsistency brought it back down. **3/4

    2. 2 out of 3 falls Tag Team Title Match: The New Day Vs. Kidd and Cesaro. I had high expectations for the tag team title match, and I would say this almost reached my expectations. I enjoyed the formula of the match. 1st fall was an extended baby face shine. Second fall started with an impact cut off and was dominated by heel heat. This allowed Kidd to play the valiant baby face. A roll he pulled off very well. The hot tag to Cesaro started white hot. Unfortunately, the momentum was watered down when he was unable to get Big E up for the tiger driver. They recovered sufficiently and the timing on the finish made it a realistic twin magic trick finish. If you erase some of the clutter and clean up a few exchanges, this was a four star match. Even with its deficiencies, it gets ***1/2 from me.

     3. Bray Wyatt Vs. Ryback. Two motivated wrestlers engaged in a physical match. This was Wyatt’s best showing in recent memory. Ryback’s selling deserves complement. The only thing that brought this match down was Baltimore’s hesitance to fully invest in Ryback as the conquering hero. Clever finish that was conclusive enough to satisfy and yet did not damage either wrestler involved. ***1/2

    4. I Quit US Title Match: John Cena Vs. Rusev. Not bad, but too long and too slow for my taste. Rusev dominated the beginning of the match, and looked good doing so. Once they took it to the outside of the ring, I think they lost the crowd and dampened the intensity. Every time the match appeared to lull into lethargy, they executed a transition to liven the crowd. The finish was as inconclusive as predicted, which does not add an exclamation point to a feud blow off. I liked Bradshaw’s closing line concerning the legality of Lana quitting for Rusev, “This is a US title match, we cannot assume.” **1/4

    5. Naomi and Tamina Vs. Nikki Bella and Brie Bella. I thought the match started off fine, but once the live crowd lost interest, I lost interest. Tonight, the fans did not give the divas a chance. At this point, an appropriate step in reviving and improving the Divas division may be removing the Bellas from active competition. As wrestlers in the division, they are like old condiments in a refridgerator. They may be used later, but as for now, they are just taking up space. Sometimes, the best decision is to throw them away.*1/2

    6. Neville Vs. King Barrett. I like the idea of placing these guys in the traditional dead spot and making them work up hill to illicit a positive crowd response. These guys were up to the task and provided a decent but less than thrilling singles match. Many will complain about the finish, but I will say this; Barrett is a heel. Even during this match, he was getting a mixed response. Quitting at a key point in the match ensures his favorable response is cut off at the knees. Neville coming back in the ring and beating up the king allows him to come out of the event looking like a fighter. **

    7. Fatal Four Way WWE World Title Match: Seth Rollins Vs. Dean Ambrose Vs. Roman Reigns Vs. Randy Orton. The pre match hype video heightened my fear that the enveloping story would center around Kane and Rollins rather than the three challengers. While this narrative was central to the match, the Shield sub plot was the highlight of the contest. The crowd was subdued to start, but once the Shield dynamic was revealed, the place came unglued. Everyone was given a chance to shine and Kane’s involvement was more of a positive than a negative. Character contrasts, relationship history, plots, sub plots, peaks, valleys, and good in-ring action creates an exciting and fulfilling cap stone to a good event. ****

    Thanks, Derrick from Utah

    Thumbs in the middle
    Best: Main event
    Worst: Ascention/Axel & Sandow

    Not much to say about this one.  Almost too predictable.  Sometimes predictable is good, but WWE didn’t really give anything on this show.  Basically a televised house show.  Good matches, but finishes were easy to call in each of them.  Should at least have a surprise or newsworthy event given it’s a PPV, as there’s absolutely nothing different in WWE land now than there was this morning.

    – Chris H
    Lakeland, FL

    Payback: Thumbs Up

    Best Match:WWE Championship 4 Way

    Worst Match: Divas Tag Match

    Preshow wasn’t much of anything.  The bonus match as they called it with Truth over Stardust was filler.  I rather they not put these matches on for no reason.  The Mega Powers vs. the Ascension was basically a squash.  I thought the Mega Powers were actually going to over, but maybe they will try to actually push the Ascension now.

    Payback starts with Sheamus beating Dolph Ziggler.  Solid match here.  New Day retains over Kidd and Cesaro in the 2/3 fall match.  Good match.  These two teams really have good in-ring chemistry.  Solid match with Bray Wyatt over Ryback.  They did a few impressive things here some of which looked like it really hurt.  Not sure what plans are for Wyatt, but honestly everything he’s been doing just seems like a place holder.  Cena over Rusev was entertaining.  I still don’t understand how Lana saying I Quit is acceptable.  They should just say hey anyone can act on behalf of a participant if they feel like it.  Divas tag match just didn’t work.  It wasn’t flowing well.  Neville vs. Barrett was fine until the lame count out finish.  Neville really has something.  I hope gets to move up.  Four way was good overall.  I knew they would work the Shield triple power bomb spot into the match.  I hope Ambrose gets a shot at holding the title down the line.  Rollins’ using the Pedigree wasn’t that great.  It didn’t come off that good, but the match itself was good.  Overall a good show, nothing off the charts, but nothing terrible either. 

    Robb Block

  • WWE News: Steve Austin podcast back on WWE Network, first guest lined up

    Even after Chris Jericho started doing live podcasts on the WWE Network recently, “Stone Cold” Steve Austin will back doing his ‘Steve Austin Show’ podcast Network, announced during WWE Payback Sunday night.

    His return is set for after the June 1st RAW with Paul Heyman as his guest.

  • On this day in pro wrestling history (May 17): Bruno Sammartino era begins, War Games, Michaels vs. Jannetty

    By Brian Hoops, WrestlingObserver.com

    1963 – Bruno Sammartino defeated WWWF World Champion Buddy Rogers in 47 seconds to win the championship at Madison Square Garden in New York City,

    1966 – In Moline, Illinois; The Crusher & Ernie Ladd & Verne Gagne beat Larry Hennig & Harley Race & The Alaskan; Reggie Parks beat Angelo Poffo and Ernie Ladd beat Larry Hennig; At Municipal Auditorium in Kansas City, Missouri; Dick the Bruiser & Bob Ellis defeated Bob Geigel & Bob Brown and World Heavyweight Champion Gene Kiniski defeated The Mongolian Stomper in three falls.

    1973 – In Kansas City, Kansas; Harley Race defeated Black Angus and Bob Geigel & Bobo Brazil defeated Togo the Great & Tokyo Joe

    1974 – In Denver, Colorado; The Crusher & Wahoo McDaniel beat Champions Nick Bockwinkel & Ray Stevens on a 3rd fall COR to win the AWA Tag Team title. Also, Superstar Billy Graham beat Geoff Portz.

    1978 – In Honolulu, Hawaii; AWA Champion Nick Bockwinkel beat Rick Martel in a Loser Leaves Town Match; Tor Kamata beat Billy White Wolf  and Buddy Rose & John Studd beat Bill Francis & Russ Francis

    1981 – Tommy Rich won a tournament for the Georgia Heavyweight championship at the Omni in Atlanta, GA. Rich beat Greg Valentine to win the Georgia Heavyweight title.

    1986 – Playboy Buddy Rose & Doug Somers defeated Scott Hall & Curt Hennig in Hammond, Indiana, to win the AWA World Tag Team Championship; Dusty Rhodes & the Road Warriors defeated NWA Six Man Tag Team Champions Baron Von Raschke, Ivan & Nikita Koloff to win the titles in Baltimore, Maryland.

    1987 -The Lightning Express, (Brad Armstrong & Tim Horner), defeated Rick Steiner & Sting to win the UWF Tag Team Titles.

    1992 – At the WCW WrestleWar PPV in Jacksonville, Florida; The Freebirds (Michael Hayes & Jimmy Garvin) defeated Terry Taylor & Greg Valentine to win the United States Tag Team Championship. Also, Brian Pillman defeated Tom Zenk to retain the WCW World Light Heavyweight Title; WCW World Tag Team Champions Rick & Scott Steiner defeated Tatsumi Fujinami & Takayuki Iizuka and Sting, Nikita Koloff, Dustin Rhodes, Ricky Steamboat & Barry Windham defeated Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton, Rick Rude, Steve Austin & Larry Zbyszko in a War Games match.

    1993 – During a Monday Night Raw telecast from Manhattan Center in New York City, Marty Jannetty defeated Shawn Michaels to win the Intercontinental Title.

    1998 – At the WCW Slamboree PPV in Worchester, Mass., Dean Malenko defeated WCW Cruiserweight Champion Chris Jericho to win the title and Sting & the Giant defeated WCW World Tag Team Champions Scott Hall & Kevin Nash (with Dusty Rhodes) to win the titles.